Audio Engineering School is a Waste of Time and Money


Posted September 23rd, 2009 by Dan

Most people don’t know what the hell they’re doing. Or what they’re talking about. I’m just speaking generally. But this affliction is particularly evident in the recording industry, where technology, artistry, and bullshit all come together. I should know, because I don’t know much or have much experience but I like to pretend that I do. And that’s why you’re reading this right now.

Traditionally, a future engineer would start far down the totem pole at a large commercial studio, and would be subjected to years of bitch work, ridiculous scheduling demands, and little to no pay. He would generally be expected to know or learn electrical engineering principles, systems wiring, and signal path flow before ever hitting the record button. If he was able to deal with this reality without quitting or proving to be a total idiot, he may have been allowed to start basic session work and learn a few techniques from the more experienced engineers. And if he proved to do a decent job, he might get put on the payroll and be allowed to assist in some important sessions before finally starting to run sessions on his own. As you can gather, this was a long process, often taking place over 20 years or more. And that was just to become an “engineer.” (There are some great books available from big-time engineers like Geoff Emerick and Mike Shea if you’re interested in how it used to be).

Enter Pro-Tools

I never could have put up with the engineering paradigm of yesteryear. And I didn’t have to. 10 years ago a bought a Power Mac G4 and a Digidesign 001 (in 1999, this was the equivalent of today’s “M-box“), and thusly automatically became an engineer. See how that works? Buy an M-box, become an engineer. It’s that simple.

Well, there was that whole problem of me not knowing what the hell I was doing, but I did record my band, mix it, and put it on a CD. That’s the power digital recording has brought to the masses, and it’s totally revolutionized (or ruined) the industry.

This paradigm shift has also given rise to a new, and highly profitable, audio engineering education industry. The democratization of recording has created a flood of new prospective producers and engineers who are willing to pay for a “professional” education in order to get a leg up in this highly competitive market. Earning a degree from audio engineering schools like Full Sail, SAE, and numerous programs throughout the country has even become a respectable alternative to a traditional liberal arts or technical degree (and like traditional degrees, they cost a shit load and probably won’t have anything to do with the profession you end up working in.)

Since I didn’t go to one of these schools or programs, I like to make blanket generalizations and cast judgment upon them and their students.

Those Lovable Audio Engineering School Idiots

One of my favorite studio moments was when producer Jimmy Zampano (Mariah Carey, Toni Braxton, Babyface) got drunk and asked the local Pro Tools certification director why his students didn’t know how to plug in a microphone. Now granted, you don’t have to plug in a microphone to use Pro Tools, but you might want to know how the audio got into the program in the first place. The Pro Tools routing scheme is designed to emulate an analog console, where sound actually enters from somewhere. Students should probably learn that the vocal track in their “demo” session came from a real singer and a real microphone, and not from a sexy cyber-woman inside the computer.

Now I don’t mean to imply that students of full 4-year audio engineering programs don’t know anything about the analog realm. Hell, at Full Sail you get to hop in front of an SSL 9000 console and get right to making beats. What’s a compressor do? What’s unity gain? Doesn’t matter. Figure out how to get that signal through and into Pro Tools and you know it’s gonna be “warm.”

See the problem with engineering students isn’t that they don’t get to use the best equipment, it’s that they don’t get to use the shitty equipment. There are people out there making major label quality records on $5000 setups. But that’s because they’ve learned how to use what they’ve got and realize it’s full potential. How are you supposed to know that a project done in a million dollar studio sounds good when you haven’t done anything like it on the low-low first?

I hear Full Sailers talk a lot about all the awesome gear they’ve used and the awesome techniques they know about. I don’t ever hear their recordings. And when I do, they suck. It’s the classic “college kid” syndrome: lots of book smarts, no experience.

Don’t get me wrong. My first recording sucked too. And so did my second, and third, and fourth. Hell, they still blow (just kidding, they’re awesome) [Watch it, cowboy. Ed.] But that had nothing to do with equipment, and everything to do with just doing it. Nobody is getting paid to shadow the big boy engineers for ten years anymore, so it doesn’t make sense to start screwing around on big boy tools. It’s better to go get an M-box and use it until you really, truly can’t do any more with it. That’s the point when you actually recognize the value of better gear.

As in most other higher learning institutions, audio engineering instructors are generally people who couldn’t hack it in the real world. So they apply for teaching positions based on certificates and degrees they got from other audio engineering schools and programs. It’s great, because it’s a self generating profession. (It does, however, suck for the instructors when they finally have the soul-crushing realization that they aren’t good enough to do what they actually want to do. But that’s neither here nor there.)

Venturing out on your own teaches you a very important lesson about your future in the recording industry: whether or not you have one. Going to school masks this discovery, because you’re paying someone thousands of dollars a year to lie to you about your prospects in the real world. People who go to school for IT are probably going to get a shitty IT job after graduating, because IT jobs are easy, plentiful, and pay pretty well. Audio jobs don’t and engineering school isn’t going to prepare you for that.

You learn a lot more about yourself when you have to start paying your own bills. I didn’t understand this until I got out of college, when I found out that Political Science wasn’t going to cover rent. The same goes for audio school. Go out and get some real world experience before you waste daddy’s trust fund or take out a mint in loans that engineering gigs won’t pay off. $140,000 isn’t going to buy you a credit on a good album, and probably won’t get you anything more than an internship at a decent studio.

At the end of the day, you’ve got to do work. Being able to deal with failure in the real world is much more valuable than succeeding in the protected environment of an audio engineering program. There is no replacement for real experience.

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  • JUKETASTRAFE
    i Luv this post... i am 20 years old and i am breaking my fucking neck and almost saling my soul for money to pay for a tuiton at columbia college or flashpoint academy chicago $50,000 fucking dollars. i have been into engineering my own music sense age 15 i am into urban House, Electro Euro House And Now Im a Hardstyle Addict, particulary Living in Chicago I'm known for My Ghetto House Creations I Have a couple of ep/lps on itunes, rhapsody, amazon music.com yahoo etc (Search:Juke It Hard Vol.) Now many people and fellow muscians i know in my particular desired field of music all say i have high potential to be a great producer and recording engineer and i know much for my age for not ever attending any schooling yet. but the majority of them still say i still should go to school to get a little more knowledge and to get a certification certificate or degree just so i can have it on my back ground. But although i havn't attended any engineering schooling yet it feels as though if i finally do, it would be a waste of time now that i have been researching former students and people who have attended school and have completed. and the majority of them say the same thing majority you can learn your self for the amount of money and it is about hands on experience. I mean i have been around some pretty locally known big name House producers and house djs from the likes of Ghetto House Creator Dj Deeon, Dj Funk, Dj Slugo, Terry Hunter, Traxster, and many more i mean local chicago wize. And I know for a fact they havnt attended any prior schooling and they are doing fairly well and are saling out internationaly and are constantly touring and doing shows out of the country witch is my Dream to go to Europe, and they all have pretty decent studios minus the pro tools $100,000 Hd Set Up.But Being Around Them I have learned Alot now that i think about it. But for me until i get the $50,000 for Engineering school i will be attending realworld hands on training and you tube school
    witch in fact has brought me this far oh and P.S TO THE GUY WHO POSTED THIS BLOG THANK YOU AND MUCH RESPECT I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE FEELING THIS WAY AND FOR ANY ONE WHO NEEDS TO KNOW I AM JUKETASTRAFE ALSO KNOW AS DJ PIERRE CHICAGO AKA MR WHATZ JUKING!! GOOGLE SEARCH: JUKE IT HARD VOL. FACEBOOK ME.MYSPACE ETC I LUV MEETING NEW PEOPLE IN MY PARTICULAR FIELD
    AND ALSO HOW BIZZAR IS THIS: I AM A 20 YEAR OLD URBAN "BLACK AMERICAN HARD HOUSE/HARD STYLE/ELECTRO FINATIC RESIDING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO ILLINOIS ENGLEWOOD AREA!!! MUSIC IS COLOR BLIND AND IN MUSIC RACE DOESNT MATTER!!! AND IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS KEEPONG THIS COUNTRY UNITED AND TOGETHER MUSIC IS GOD!!
  • pimpfresh
    Thanks for the kudos! It's good to hear people that have been through it being objective about their situation. Obviously anyone with talent and drive is going to succeed regardless. I checked out your stuff and it's awesome! Make sure to let us know if you're ever in ATL!
  • MR. SELFMADE
    U sound like a straight Hater!!LOL!! tryin to make u cats that will always remain amateurs feel better!! LOL yeah audio engineering school is a waste of time if you bullshitting yaself anyway and don't have any TALENT in the first place! The only thing i agree with in this blog is real experience is necessary to start making real money in the music industry. If your trying to teach your self by buying PRO TOOLS FOR DUMMIES and MAC PRO VIDEO tutorials by the time u get a good quality sound you'll be to old to reap any benefit and probably spent the same amount of money as a graduate from a school!LOL I'm an SAE graduate!! now who has the advantage interning in a commercial studio with the big time engineers a person that has education and KNOWs the engineer lingo or a person that just bought and m-box and only knows how to open a session and press the record button..everytime one of u "I just bought an M-box jokers" show up to my studio they always asking the GRADUATE to teach them? Y's that? so if by the grace of GOD they do get to get in with a Big engineer they can at least not look like a total idiot! thats like saying I can go out and buy a stethoscope,white jacket and a perscription pad and boom! I'M A DOCTOR!! it's that simple!! Please! Its all about your hustle and what u put into it! in anything u do! The whole point is you have to LEARN!! going to a school just gets u proper education fast and more efficient than being self-taught! Not to mention the network opportunities that come around that u wouldn't have sitting at home by yaself!! And while i'm trusted by true songwriters,producers, and industry execs with upcoming major projects. The only people that'll trust what your sayin is local bands with no money to pay professionals anyway!! You'll be lucky to ever see a split sheet!! ROFLMAO
  • pimpfresh
    Really dude? Really? You write like a 13-year-old girl on MySpace. Apparently they don't have any entry level English classes at SAE. I almost feel like you have a point in here somewhere but as in most professions, nobody is going to take you seriously when you sound like a washed-up rapper using Instant Messenger.

    And for all your cockiness I'd just like to point out something that you readily admit: You're still an intern. Sure you may get to sit in the lobby of a major commercial studio all night and go make food runs for "big time engineers," but you're still an intern. While I definitely recommend an internship for people wanting to get started in the professional recording business, you don't need to spend $150,000 to get one, even at a major studio.

    $150,000 isn't going to get you on a split sheet either. If you ever get to put your name on one I hope for your sake that you can figure out how to do basic math and spell your name correctly. Your response indicates that might be a problem. Fortunately as of now that's not a problem because interns don't get on split sheets....songwriters and producers do. I hope you know something about music.
  • toshcantel
    I Love this Blog, so so true!!
  • INtRiCaTe DeZigHn PrOdUcTiOnZ
    Yo!!! man i totally agree with your blog!!!!!!!!! It takes more then just saying you want to produce "'phat" beats and "phat" tracks practice makes perfect. I think that schools can point you in the right direction but people do need to understand that the game has changed. Any engineer can go to the library and get a book that will teach you the same the school is!!!.
  • SAHIL NIRMAN
    Hi.aiam sahil nirman from india....its was awesome reading your blog as most of the people dont know shit about this line.specialy in my country.....Iam doing diploma in audio engineering from SAE chennai which is the headquaters in india.Next yr iam suppose to go to SAE oxford.........but somewhere i dont dont find it worth the anount iam spending and the time iam spending as the system in SAE is all theory based.Iam facing the same probel what u mentioned that here there is no praticle experience....I'll be glad if you suggest me something....aim not a graduate.i was a law student but i left law for audio engineering as i want to do something in music industry....but iam jus too confused after seeing the system on which these school works...i need a degree for which i dont mind going to a audio engineering school.but i dont know which i should opt for........
  • pimpfresh
    Sahil, thanks for sharing your experience on here. I'm not sure what kind of opportunities exist for audio engineer interns in Chennai, but searching out places in need of help would probably be a good place to start. Even if you have to work for free and have crappy hours you will still actually get experience applying what you are learning in school. You can make your education worthwhile if you are able to work to put it into action at the same time rather than just talking about it. This may require you to stay up long hours and limit your social life, but that is the reality of a successful audio engineer. You really have to have a passion for what you do.
  • Scott
    I agree there's no substitute for actually doing something and working your ass of while doing it...But, besides doing it on your own how would you gain experience to ever step foot in a studio if you didn't have some sort of education in it? i.e. How do you get your foot in the door at a studio and get the real world experience, besides the fabled janitors position.
  • pimpfresh
    Well, there's plenty of places to learn....it's really just a matter of putting the time in. I do think it's worthwhile to go work at a studio for free and learn as much as you can from successful producers/engineers. I also started working at Atlanta Pro Audio (after putting in 4 grueling months at Guitar Center) and read as much as I can to learn new stuff. It's definitely a long process and really just requires going out and doing it.
  • christhesoundguy
    I'm in the process of learning the Reaper (windows) software. A whole lot cheaper than pro tools. I do live gigs but like playing around in the "studio recording" realm. At least with that, I can practice and experiment whenever I want.
  • pimpfresh
    Reaper seems pretty awesome. It's included on all the new Open Labs products (http://www.openlabs.com). All the DAW software is pretty much ridiculous in terms of features offered nowadays.
  • I've read story after story in TapeOp where these guys say they got their starts just hanging around studios. Their path follows what you described. One of the best things ProTools did was remove the mystique from recording. As a kid I wondered how they did all that stuff. Now you can get your own rig and figure it out. The bottom line is, audio degree or not, you have to work insanely hard and have lots of motivation if you want to make it in the music biz.
  • pimpfresh
    Yep. You gotta have thick skin. It used to get on my nerves when all these "producas" would come into Atlanta Pro Audio acting cocky and trying to hustle, but that's what you have to do. I respect anyone that works their ass off.
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